July 1st Removal of NeoTreks Land Use

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    Melanie

    Hey all,

    Land ownership boundaries are visible on the Public Land (US) and Private Land (US) layers.

    I recommend layering the Gaia Topo and Public Land (US) layer as an alternative to NeoTreks.


    Here is what the area that Nathan shared looks like with the Gaia Topo + Public Land (US):



    If you need more land ownership details, you can also add the Private Land (US) layer.

    We are also working on some improvements to Gaia Topo to more clearly show public land.​

    If you have any other feedback or would like a refund on your membership, please reach out to Support here.

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    mxklinger

    The loss of public land ownership information which NeoTreks maps have is a substantial disappointment. Here in Wyoming there is a crazy-quilt of NFS, BLM, and state land squares which no other maps show adequately. 

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    gawilson

    The loss of neotreks will likely be a deal breaker for me and the 9 other premium members of my team. Neotreks is our default layer and there is not another layer capable of replacing Neotreks that will work for our needs. Gaia engineers are you listening?

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    Robert

    This is extremely disappointing news for me. In addition to the excellent land use coverage as you note, I find this map to have by far the best off road trails. When I am exploring a new area in my Jeep or hiking, I rely on this layer to discover all the roads in an area. No other layer has come close for me. I use this layer primarily. The only maps comparable in usefulness are the NatGeo maps, but those have limited coverage areas and still no where near as many 4x4/dirt road routes as NeoTreks.

    Does anyone know of an alternative app/source for these maps? Edit: https://accuterra.com/ lets you view their maps via web. 

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    kevindouglaswhite

    @Melanie, thank you for responding. I agree with the other commenters. The loss of NeoTreks may be a deal breaker for me unless there is some way to manually load the map data. The alternative you demonstrated however is not really sufficient. The value of NeoTreks was not only the land usage data but also its integration with topography and shading. 

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    Robert

    Let me start out by saying, I love GaiaGPS and am a huge fan. I've been using it for many years. Ultimately, a mapping app is only as good as the data it has. The Gaia Topo layer is basically terrible compared to other products I've used. Alltrails for example has way more trails, but the Gaia App itself is much better so I use it instead. Using the land use overlay (which already doesn't look great as an overlay) on top of a mediocre map (Gaia Topo) isn't much of an alternative. Gaia Topo doesn't have near the 4x4 roads that NeoTreks does. Below is just one of endless examples showing how an entire network of roads in southern part isn't even in Gaia Topo layer. This is to say nothing of how much more readable the NeoTreks map is.

    So far, I found one app, Topo Maps+ that has NeoTreks maps (and also has an option to buy the awesome Benchmark road atlas maps). It doesn't look as functional as Gaia by far, but I likely will need to buy a subscription to it as well. If Gaia ever drops NatGeo Trails Illustrated maps too, they will still have the best map app but the worst data, which will make it not useful for me sadly.

    Have you considered introducing more pricing tiers/options? If some of these layers are more expensive to license, put them in a higher price tier. Then people who just need to find their way on major trails can choose a lower tier, but people like us who rely on detailed, clear mapping of remote areas would still be able to stay using Gaia GPS.

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    pcaple

    No map contains the info that Neotreks Land Use has. It has no equal! I left Gaia due to the loss of this map system. It was the main reason I used the app...which is excellent otherwise. No Accuterra....no thanks.

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    nathantcampbell

    Hi Melanie,

    Thanks for the alternative solution, but that's pretty clunky for those of us that cache. Having to manage caching 3 layers for every trip is very messy. Is it at all possible for Gaia to make a full land-use layer by blending these three together as you demonstrated?

    Edit: I should also add this doesn't address the clean terrain shading that neotrek has. Shading assisting the topology rings is extremely helpful when glancing at a map while mobile. As Robert pointed out it also doesn't address the lesser softroad coverage that neotrek has compared to the gaia base layer.

    Nathan

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    pcaple

    Unfortunately...Topo+ is not for Android. It drives me crazy how these companies focus on one platform leaving others wanting.

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    kevindouglaswhite

    I have been testing out the multiple layers Kristin suggested. The multiple layers works but not well enough.

    Maybe Topo+ will be a better option. I see it has a desktop app as well as iOS and Apple Watch.

    I am definitely on the hunt for a Gia GPS replacement at this point.

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    Kristin McLane

    Hi all,

    The latest version of Gaia Topo now includes relief shading, tree cover, and more than 150,000 miles of additional 4×4 roads and trails. You can learn more about it on our blog.

    If you would like more defined shading, you could also add the Shaded Relief (US) layer, found under Feature/Weather Overlays in the map catalog.

    Other ways to find more offroad trails in Gaia GPS are shared in our help center here.

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