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    steve.davis717

    This is very disappointing. Upgraded the head unit in my 4Runner because of announced “Carplay compatibility”.

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    Fulthrotl

    let's tell the truth here... the last time i did this, it was deleted, and i got a private email

    saying i was too negative and critical.... here we go.....

    there is absolutely no reason for them to spend money developing this further.

    they will not make any additional revenue from it. are any of you going to cancel your

    membership to gaia 'cause of this?

    i thought so.

    is gaia going to make any more money 'cause of this? not likely.

    i'm driving a '18 JL jeep. i run this in a pad standalone on the dash.

    i use 67 design mounts for all my stuff. go look at their stuff for mounts. good stuff.

    now, let's look at the reality. i decided to go see little finland, NV last weekend. google it.

    it is a seriously cool place in outer nevada, 30 miles from pavement.

    i used siri, and the nav app. it found it, and sent the destination to my dash unit.

    i got turn by turn directions, eta, and all of it on my dash unit. gaia just sits there

    with a national parks map up on it, so jill has something to play with, while it keeps

    a track of our trip.

    if gaia released this tomorrow for carplay, i doubt at this point, i'd use it.

    i'm done here.

    ya'll have fun.

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    paul

    On our last trip, we used a combination of Gaia on our phone and Apple maps on the dash. Obviously, we were not looking for turn-by-turn directions as we were exploring trails off paved roads.
    As it’s always been, I cannot do all navigation tasks with one app. I bounce around to whatever works best at the time.
    As Gaia continues to develop, it’ll just keep getting better.

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    dwg

    They certainly can charge for the feature if they choose. I have a 9" screen in my Alpine head unit that I would like to use rather than iPad mounts, although the Ram mounts and the 67 mounts are great. In my opinion Gaia is better than the alternatives  but being able to CarPlay to my Alpine is important and I will switch to something else if need be.

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    paul

    This is very wise. I look forward to watching Gaia’s continued growth.

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    lastlamb

    Bingo, miamic70. Completely agree. And frankly, Gaia's claim that they don't lay out their plan for future development to the public is just, well, bad development and/or bad planning and understanding of their market. They will lose if they don't get a clue and realize people want this, and they exist to deliver what customers want. Otherwise, they will go the way of time.

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    MiamiC70

    So, I got the private email and told my posts contained profanity so were deleted. How convenient. Also, offered a full refund to make me go away I guess.

    I would really like to hear what “technical” issues are holding CarPlay back. My vote is its “marketing” issues because Google seems to have figured it out. TomTom has figured it out. Waze figured it out a while ago (I know Google owns them).

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    davesworld

    apple car play please

     

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    frberring

    I encourage everyone to end their subscriptions until CarPlay compatibility is released. It seems - very unfortunately - that comments alone are insufficient to get the Gaia team to provide any transparency into the release plan (or perhaps lack of plan?). Maybe revenue loss will get someone’s attention.

    i personally would be happy to maintain my subscription if we were at least given more detail in the plan, issues, etc.  Until then, I am cancelling my subscription. 

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    MiamiC70

    Cancel? Why not ask for a refund since my purchase was based on Gaia indicating that CarPlay support was forthcoming. I mean I read it on official forum and directly communicated by Gaia employees.

    Hmmmm

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    suffolklou

    Y’all are silly. It’s a great app. No equal. Use your tablet, it won’t be the same for CarPlay anyway. None of the navigation apps are the same.

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    troy

    I switched over to MotionX GPS. They're not on CarPlay either but at least they haven't promised it a year ago.

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    MiamiC70

    Try View Ranger. They have officially announced CarPlay support is on the way.  

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    frberring

    Gaia remains the best mapping app in the market, at least in my opinion.  I wouldn’t ask for my money back..I’m not dissatisfied for the product I paid for.  But, I would appreciate real communication with their customer base.  Tell us what the plan is.  

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    aaron.hoberman

    bunch of entitled gps snobs up in here. 

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    MiamiC70

    You have a little brown something on your nose there.

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    drewpy1000

    If you subscribed to Gaia based on something they would like to develop in the future, that’s on you not Gaia. App development is difficult in general, and compounded by competing priorities like bug fixes, OS compatibility, more urgent features, etc. I believe the subscription is worth the money for the features today, and I appreciate the stability and ongoing development of Gaia in all aspects. New features (like CarPlay) and regular maintenance and security fixes will keep me here, and my subscription $$ will keep them developing Gaia. It’s a win-win in my opinion.

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    aaron.hoberman

    heh

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    tlwhite0311

    People who are salty about this have probably never even developed an app. So many entitled nancys running around today. If you are that pissed about a feature being delayed then just go somewhere else, the present gaia app is bar none the best IMO. Carplay compatibility would be nice, but carplay has it's own issues, and I can see it being just as good if not better to have your ipad or phone mounted to your dash, even after it's implementation.

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    lastlamb

    The problem is that Gaia promised the feature, then backtracked and reneged on it. That's not right, not when people are buying in, expecting it. I know what it takes to develop an iOS app. And trust me, CarPlay is not that difficult - it's akin to coding for a new display size. Come on. You may not care about CarPlay, but a lot of us do. And Gaia promised it. That doesn't make us "entitled." It makes us rightly upset, especially since they've indefinitely tabled it.

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    tlwhite0311

    If you put money down for something that doesn't even exist yet, and then get pissed when that thing doesn't come to fruition, that is ultimately your fault, not the developer. They didn't promise anything, they said they hoped it would be out by Q2 of this year (or whenever it was) provided that the app was feasible. If you think developing an app for Carplay is so easy, then why don't you do it? There is a lot of things that are going on in the background that you don't see, like how Apple restricts the way you display your app. Moreover, if it's so easy, why hasn't OnX, backcountry navigator, or anyone else done it? When you buy in to something that isn't in existence yet, and then kick and scream if it gets shelved, you are acting very entitled indeed. Gaia didn't promise anyone anything, you just interpreted it as such, and then threw a tantrum.

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    drewpy1000

    My perspective wasn’t that they promised it. They said it’s on “the roadmap for 2019”. Completely different, but perhaps Gaia could be more careful with how this is positioned in the future. Things move and fall off software development roadmaps all the time. Roadmaps are not announced features. Gaia was transparent enough to let us in on what was on their development roadmap, which was interpreted by some as a “promised feature”.

    I do care about CarPlay. I have a 2019 Ranger and building it out for overlanding and trail running. I’d LOVE Gaia CarPlay support, but I know not to bet on it until it’s in the blog or release notes.

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    lastlamb

    No tantrum or kicking and screaming here. You're the ones getting emotional, and I wish I understood why. You guys work for Gaia or something? You have some deep company interest that you are working so hard to defend them? derwpy1000 is absolutely correct. Gaia said it was on the roadmap, which means it's promised. I understand things change in the world of development, but that should mean a delay, not a removal. Gaia has handled this poorly, putting out a clear expectation that this feature would be delivered, then saying it wouldn't necessarily be and giving no dates for anything. I have to question their planning. Regardless of what's going on at Gaia, an honest explanation is what their customers deserve.

    Me develop it? That's amusing. I don't really care to go to work for Gaia, thanks. What kind of comment is that?

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    tlwhite0311

    "No tantrum or kicking and screaming here."

    Ok.

    "You're the ones getting emotional, and I wish I understood why."

    What?

    "You have some deep company interest that you are working so hard to defend them?"

    Absolutely, they currently have the best app for this market. IMO anyway.

    "Gaia said it was on the roadmap, which means it's promised"

    No it does not.

    "I understand things change in the world of development, but that should mean a delay, not a removal."

    This statement right here just bleeds entitlement.

    "Gaia has handled this poorly, putting out a clear expectation that this feature would be delivered, then saying it wouldn't necessarily be and giving no dates for anything."

    In order to more reasonably accommodate you, I hope that Gaia (or any company for that matter) puts in big bold letters next to all future projects that everything is tentative.

    "Me develop it? That's amusing."

    I assure you, I was laughing when I wrote that as well.

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    lastlamb

    Thanks for the enlightenment. Now that you've set me straight and helped me understand myself, I guess I'll leave my government housing and go buy some food with my EBT card and then stop by the bank to cash my welfare check, maybe make a few calls while I'm out on my free government cell phone. 

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    tlwhite0311

    May happiness find you in your travels, wherever it is that they take you.

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    drewpy1000

    This conversation boils down to a difference of interpretation of what a “roadmap” means. Some took that too mean a promised feature and due date, others (including myself) took this to mean they will start development on the feature and subject to reprioritization or roadblocks. It’s pretty simple, and doesn’t really call for negative comments or accusations. I think we all need to remember it’s ok to have a different opinion or interpretation. It’s fine. I think we can all agree that a) CarPlay would be a cool feature enhancement and hope it comes someday, b) Gaia offers a great app and service that we all like a lot. 👍🏼

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    tlwhite0311

    What it really comes down to is the difference between a customer and an investor. 

    When you make a purchase based on a future product, and then get angry when it's shelved, it shows that you have no understanding of the difference between the two, being a customer does not make you an investor. As a customer, you are giving 40 bucks to GaiaGPS for the service that they currently provide. It does NOT pay for the ability to steer the company in a certain direction. That is what investors do. So when people throw their arms up and demand a refund, the company has every reason to tell them to kick rocks. If you are not happy with services currently provided, then go somewhere else. If you are mad because some future project got canned, that was gamble you made and lost, that's not on the company. Is it disappointing when something falls through? Yes, but it doesn't give you the right to act like insolent children. For all we know this project could very well start back up in the future, or better yet, something better will come of it.

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    codecat

    As a software developer with  20+ years experience, I can assure the curious that 99.9% of initial software 'roadmaps' change over time from inception to final destination.  Just like any complex journey you might plan.  There is nothing disingenuous about it, it's just how it is, especially in situations where you don't control all the variables, like working with Apple, sheesh!

    Totally agree with drewpy1000 that:
    a) CarPlay would be a cool feature enhancement and hope it comes someday,
    b) Gaia offers a great app and service that we all like a lot. 👍🏼

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