Water Route

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    Kristin McLane

    Hey y'all,

    I can definitely see how it would be helpful to snap to waterways when creating routes.

    We don't have plans for anything like this at the moment, but I do have an open request for this feature and I've added all the votes here.

    Thanks for suggesting this. We will update here if this feature becomes available.

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    Nathan

    Great idea! I'm not sure how difficult this addition would be, but I'll discuss with the team.

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    capndave

    Absolutely would be a great addition.  The paddler market is huge.

    I downloaded Gaia for this exact reason - and I'm also going to BWCA in 2 weeks.

    However, to make "Canoe Mode" useful, and not just an icon, there is one mandatory distinction between other modes:

    Compass mode cannot be used for navigation.  It needs to be almost exclusively course mode.

    The are 2 reasons to support this:

    1) Paddling requires two hands - and involves water.  Meaning you cannot hold the GPS flat at your waist, while looking down at the screen.  Paddlers typically mount their GPS units on a thwart/bar, in front of their paddling station, oriented directly forward.  This way no water gets on the unit when the paddler switches paddling sides.  So, the problem here - with the iPhone - is that compass mode goes batty if you don't hold the unit flat (screen facing up to the sky).  So, again - course mode - not compass mode.

    2) Canoes "crab" when there is any wind -- ie., the direction the canoe is pointing is a different direction than it's path over the water.  So, compass heading and course are rarely ever going to be the same and will fluctuate significantly - usually by 10-20 degrees but theoretically up to 90 degrees - or even 180 degrees if a canoeist reverses bow/stern in a headwind (a useful technique in canoes in order to put the heavier end into a wind without shifting people/packs/gear).  By comparison -- In a car, the direction the car is facing is Always the direction of travel (wheels on ground).  For a hiker, holding the phone in front of them while walking forward, the direction they are facing is also almost always the direction of travel (except if they are walking sideways, backwards, etc).

    Gaia's 5 mph threshold between compass & course:

    Gaia cannot simply default "Canoe Mode" to "course mode" because Gaia uses compass under 5mph, even in course mode, then switches to course mode above 5mph.

    This will not work because the average touring canoe speed is between 1.5 and 3.5 mph and even slower if you are "vacation paddling" into the wind.  Kayakers typically tour above 5 mph, but even in a mild headwind that can easily be cut to 3 or 4 mph.  So, unless the 5 mph threshold for course mode were lowered/disabled in Canoe Mode, navigation would still take place using compass mode.  Moving that slowly in course mode, of course, has accuracy tradeoffs since it may take a bit more time to move enough to register a new gps fixpoint - which is used to interpolate heading.  But the pros outweigh the cons.

     

     

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    brian

    I agree, this is a much needed feature. 90% of my excursions that I want to record are kayaking or canoeing. Seems like if a route can snap to a trail without the need for multiple waypoints being placed as a guideline for the route, that it could can snap to a river. Lakes are more problematic.

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    b.willis815

    I also agree that there should be routes for the water. The main reason I downloaded this app is because my boyfriend and I take a lot of kayaking trips and we wanted to keep track of them but we also really want to find new routes and waterways to travel on. 

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    tshank

    Has there been any update on this topic for Gaia? 

     

    Tom

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    Ben

    Just want to bump up this thread and say I would love a river route option as well! Manually making routes on rivers is tideous, and the elevations get all messed up because Gaia assume you're hiking from point to point, so if you don't perfectly follow a river it gives you very inaccurate elevation changes and even distance.

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    james.kavenaugh

    Yes please!

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    hottysilotti

    Bumping here as well. This is absolutely needed.

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    oldmrhare

    There really seems to be a call for this! Why hasn’t Gaia pursued it? Is there a way we users can more strongly advocate for it?

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    Ben

    Gaia we'd really like to see a comment that you're working on implementing this, I can't stress how valuable of a tool this would be for my river friends and me if you could make it happen!

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    Brandon

    This definately would be a great feature. The current alternative is using Caltopo's waterway snapping feature and then exporting that .gpx file into your Gaia map. 

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    oldmrhare

    @BrandonDike - thanks for the tip! I will look into it.  Still think Gaia would want to make the irapp more user-friendly for us paddlers.

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    Brandon

    @mitchelhare - absolutely! I agree. Using Caltopo as a .gpx eporter is a clunky work around. Caltopo is also a competitor of Gaia, so ultimately I believe Gaia needs to add this feature if they want to stay the best trip planning software.

    I hike in a lot of different canyons, and a lot of times those canyons don't have snap-able trails in them. Almost of them have mapped streams/rivers in them so a waterway snap would benefit canyoneering and hikers along with paddlers.

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    Bailey Kessing

    As both a paddler and backpacker I definitely would love to have this feature!!! 

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    Bailey Kessing

    Oh and adding "Kayaking" as a category for a track would be great!!! Or the ability to add custom labels?

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    matthewsclark

    Yes please. Great idea!

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    crusoe98

    Adding my 2 cents here, too... this would be useful to me!

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    Nature Aventure

    I also would love to see this option brought to the app and desktop version. The stream seams to be all shapefiles all ready, this option of creating a route from it would be realy great. 

     

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    ryanhart

    This missing feature is why I haven't signed up for premium. Otherwise, Gaia is a great tool, but I kayak more than anything else. Thanks for the Caltopo tip above. I'll check that one out, too.

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    chfiggatt

    Adding my vote for this feature as well.  It definitely would be a valued addition for watersports enthusiasts!

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    oldmanbim

    And another vote!!

    FWIW, I've used Caltopo for this - leaves a lot too be desired....

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    Tripp Johnson

    And another! I would love this feature. I really need to have a route snap to rivers. Thanks!

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    Richard

    Packrafting is a growing segment of backcountry travel. It would be very beneficial to have auto routing for River segments.

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    oldmrhare

    This seems like a real no-brainer with the paddle market as large as it is and I can’t imagine it is a difficult development task. After four years of hoping and requesting, I have given up.

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    cinch

    I vote yes

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    jason.collis0

    I definitely need this too!

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    hottysilotti

    Bumping this up. I can't believe this isn't a built in feature

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    Ian Stibbe

    I have been thinking about this as well. I'm a river guide and it would be an amazing feature to have packaged download options with river routes and the key information like camping spots and hikes from rivers included in those sources. In the USA there are some amazing publications that have been developed catering to these users. A classic and incredibly well done publication by RiverMaps, Guide to the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon is a good example of data that would be great to have on Gaia. I love this app, my go too for all my trips!

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    tobsav

    ABSOLUTELY ... Please make this happen..... and even better would be to have also a map with depth soundings but that is probably pushing it. But snap to feature would be wonderful

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