Water Route

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    Nathan

    Great idea! I'm not sure how difficult this addition would be, but I'll discuss with the team.

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    capndave

    Absolutely would be a great addition.  The paddler market is huge.

    I downloaded Gaia for this exact reason - and I'm also going to BWCA in 2 weeks.

    However, to make "Canoe Mode" useful, and not just an icon, there is one mandatory distinction between other modes:

    Compass mode cannot be used for navigation.  It needs to be almost exclusively course mode.

    The are 2 reasons to support this:

    1) Paddling requires two hands - and involves water.  Meaning you cannot hold the GPS flat at your waist, while looking down at the screen.  Paddlers typically mount their GPS units on a thwart/bar, in front of their paddling station, oriented directly forward.  This way no water gets on the unit when the paddler switches paddling sides.  So, the problem here - with the iPhone - is that compass mode goes batty if you don't hold the unit flat (screen facing up to the sky).  So, again - course mode - not compass mode.

    2) Canoes "crab" when there is any wind -- ie., the direction the canoe is pointing is a different direction than it's path over the water.  So, compass heading and course are rarely ever going to be the same and will fluctuate significantly - usually by 10-20 degrees but theoretically up to 90 degrees - or even 180 degrees if a canoeist reverses bow/stern in a headwind (a useful technique in canoes in order to put the heavier end into a wind without shifting people/packs/gear).  By comparison -- In a car, the direction the car is facing is Always the direction of travel (wheels on ground).  For a hiker, holding the phone in front of them while walking forward, the direction they are facing is also almost always the direction of travel (except if they are walking sideways, backwards, etc).

    Gaia's 5 mph threshold between compass & course:

    Gaia cannot simply default "Canoe Mode" to "course mode" because Gaia uses compass under 5mph, even in course mode, then switches to course mode above 5mph.

    This will not work because the average touring canoe speed is between 1.5 and 3.5 mph and even slower if you are "vacation paddling" into the wind.  Kayakers typically tour above 5 mph, but even in a mild headwind that can easily be cut to 3 or 4 mph.  So, unless the 5 mph threshold for course mode were lowered/disabled in Canoe Mode, navigation would still take place using compass mode.  Moving that slowly in course mode, of course, has accuracy tradeoffs since it may take a bit more time to move enough to register a new gps fixpoint - which is used to interpolate heading.  But the pros outweigh the cons.

     

     

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    Brian

    I agree, this is a much needed feature. 90% of my excursions that I want to record are kayaking or canoeing. Seems like if a route can snap to a trail without the need for multiple waypoints being placed as a guideline for the route, that it could can snap to a river. Lakes are more problematic.

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    b.willis815

    I also agree that there should be routes for the water. The main reason I downloaded this app is because my boyfriend and I take a lot of kayaking trips and we wanted to keep track of them but we also really want to find new routes and waterways to travel on. 

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    tshank

    Has there been any update on this topic for Gaia? 

     

    Tom

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    BenLzicar

    Just want to bump up this thread and say I would love a river route option as well! Manually making routes on rivers is tideous, and the elevations get all messed up because Gaia assume you're hiking from point to point, so if you don't perfectly follow a river it gives you very inaccurate elevation changes and even distance.

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    james.kavenaugh

    Yes please!

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    hottysilotti

    Bumping here as well. This is absolutely needed.

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    mitchelhare

    There really seems to be a call for this! Why hasn’t Gaia pursued it? Is there a way we users can more strongly advocate for it?

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    BenLzicar

    Gaia we'd really like to see a comment that you're working on implementing this, I can't stress how valuable of a tool this would be for my river friends and me if you could make it happen!

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    BrandonDike

    This definately would be a great feature. The current alternative is using Caltopo's waterway snapping feature and then exporting that .gpx file into your Gaia map. 

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    mitchelhare

    @BrandonDike - thanks for the tip! I will look into it.  Still think Gaia would want to make the irapp more user-friendly for us paddlers.

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    BrandonDike

    @mitchelhare - absolutely! I agree. Using Caltopo as a .gpx eporter is a clunky work around. Caltopo is also a competitor of Gaia, so ultimately I believe Gaia needs to add this feature if they want to stay the best trip planning software.

    I hike in a lot of different canyons, and a lot of times those canyons don't have snap-able trails in them. Almost of them have mapped streams/rivers in them so a waterway snap would benefit canyoneering and hikers along with paddlers.

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